Monday, March 13, 2006

Revver with a fresh coat of paint


What do these sites have in common? They're front ends to Revver. Interesting.


At 3/14/2006 4:55 PM, Anonymous James Jarvis said...

Has anyone out there actually received payment from Revver?

At 3/15/2006 7:07 AM, Blogger Nalts said...

If neither of us has, Marquisdejolie, then I'm doubting anyone else has had a Paypal deposit from Revver yet. I don't know about you, but I actually had my revenue drop in half because of apparent click fraud. Bummer but I can't fault Revver. If Google can't stop click fraud, Revver can't.

Clearly if money was my only driver, I'd be looking at less time consuming, high-revenue activities (like selling stupid items on eBay). I'm banking on two things: a) that Revver will pass on the $, and that b) the videos I'm making will produce more daily revenue downstream than they are now (especially when Revver actually launches).

Now that you mention it, I'm probably due according to the site's $20/60-day policy:

At 3/15/2006 8:34 AM, Anonymous James Jarvis said...

Well I need to get paid in order to convince my friends that they should spend their time emailing my Revver-tagged videos (hopefully MY videos) to their friends and attaching the code to their blogs and websites.

Every time I mention the affiliate program to them, they ask, "Have YOU been paid yet?" When I answer "No," my internet-jaded friends interpret my answer as evidence of some sort of self-publishing ego trip scam (of mine) ... OR shows proof of my gullibility.

Sadly, most of my friends are not artists who do things for the pleasure of doing, but rather What's-in-it-for-me adherents to our current bottom liner culture (see Michael Lerner's "The Left Hand of God").

Petty as it sounds, I have to show my friends $20 worth of success before they'll venture in.

About "Plan 7 From Revver Space":
I interpret that paragraph as meaning that EACH video must attain $20 in adclick income before the 60 day payment is scheduled as opposed to my 300 videos COLLECTIVELY reaching $20. Is that how you read it? Most of my videos will never reach that mark individually.

Debits and credits:
I lost $30 in adclick income on a home video clip showing my one year-old grandaughter doing a cute dance to some music that was on the radio (Dances For Ice Cream).

My stats showed each deduction from that clip's income with an explanation label entitled 'FRAUD.'

What an insult! I hadn't inserted the background music and pretended it was mine like I've seen in hundreds, maybe thousands, of Revver clips. I showed the radio in the clip. It was obvious she was dancing to music from a radio and not from one of my Garageband compositions.

But Revver waited two months until THEY made enough ad income off the clip, then deducted MY ad income. Are they going to tell me they refunded THEIR ad income off this clip to the advertiser?

At 3/15/2006 8:58 AM, Anonymous James Jarvis said...

Re: debits and credits

Or maybe I don't understand what kind of 'Fraud' Revver is talking about. My fraud or someone else's? All I know is Revver is taking my video clips offline. Four clips removed now and no explanation why.

At 3/15/2006 9:42 AM, Anonymous rob said...

Hey guys. Rob from Revver here. I hear you. The fraud is a bit confusing and I want to explain it so it’s clear. Basically we have a number of different fraud detection algorithms in place that check for click-through fraud. As you can imagine, click-through fraud is a huge problem for folks in our business. So those deductions are what we track as being illegitimate clicks – i.e. Fraud. Please understand that we are not blaming you personally for the fraud, but we can’t force our advertisers to pay out on bogus clicks.

In regards to payment, we’ve paid out videos that broke the $20 mark that matured last month (after adjusting for click-through fraud) that were online greater than 60 days. Our payment cycle is due again now so if you expect to see some payments, please ensure your paypal account is correct in your profile.

In the future, we will be moving to a self-payment model. Where Revver users can simply withdraw their funds to their paypal accounts as soon as the videos have matured. In this new system, videos will mature in 30 days rather than 60, and soon after the system is implemented funds can be used for advertising purchases and other Revver items in addition to a withdrawal.

Finally, I totally understand your gripe in regards to your video that was pulled due to the background music. We are doing our best to work within the current legality regarding music usage and leverage our label relationships to provide our users with a concise and crisp understanding as to what is legally considered copyright infringement.

So in conclusion: Ensure your paypal address is valid in your profile, keep an eye out for payment and a future self-payment system, and we’ll do our best to provide recommendations when it comes to the use of music.

A few links:

Fraud detection -
Music Resources -

I hope this helps. And many thanks...

At 3/15/2006 11:43 AM, Anonymous James Jarvis said...

Thanks, Rob, but I need some more clarifications, please. I'm just an unemployed security guard, so use small words.

1. Does EACH video submitted have to reach $20 in ad income? If 90 percent of my videos only reach $5 or $10 or $19.92 in adclick income, does Revver donate the $19.92 that it never has to pay me to a worthy charity after it's obvious that no one could ever find my videos at the bottom of the pile?

2. I have an account balance of $117 on 295 videos. Trying to figure out which of my videos have reached the $20 mark looks like a spreadsheet accounting nightmare to me. Why can't I get a balance on each video instead of a combined balance?

3. I have around 100,000 Revver downloads on my stats. What is the significance of that?

At 3/15/2006 7:04 PM, Blogger Get Paid For Your Videos said...

Hi Everybody. I was reading all the posts and to be honest, I'm a little concerned, especially since I have invested so much time in setting up my website to make more money for me and ultimately also help get Revver's name out there.

Why should I invest more time and energy, and have my wife ticked off at me more than she is cause I spend so much time trying to figure out friggen html, and php, and java scripts if Revver has an ambigious payment policy ? I was under the impression that I would get paid 60 days after I reached $20 in total revenue. Will I or not ?


At 3/15/2006 7:30 PM, Blogger Ozgur Coskun said...

Yes. With my calculations I supposed to receive February 12th but somebody click fraud, I guess more than 400 times which caused some recalculations. Yes I did received today and I'm happy about the payment and all the good improvements Revver did so far. I'm getting ready to notify all my friends with the payment email and couple of my videos. I'm happy to see today alive, couple times my wife was going to kill me because the time I spent on
Thanks for this honest place Nalts.
And thanks putting all my family names in the tags area James Jarvis.. :)

At 3/15/2006 8:55 PM, Anonymous James Jarvis said...

I received a payment from Revver today . . . so my friend-affiliates should be relieved.

My $45 payment out of my $117 accrued balance just confused me more (than usual). Which what from when am I getting paid for? I don't know, but at least I got some proof of my worth (hee hee).

At 3/15/2006 9:38 PM, Blogger Get Paid For Your Videos said...

Very Nice James,

my 60 days is up on April 12, so I hope it all goes good. Revver should invite us to California for a 2 day get to know each other session. It's a tax write-off, isn't it ? :)



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